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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:14:00 -
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mxzf wrote:The real issue you're having isn't the AFK cloakers, it's the fear of AFK cloakers. Someone who's AFK can't hurt you.
The real problem that needs to be addressed is the reason people have to cloak up in a system for hours just for a chance to get a kill.
Also, is it me or is this the third OP in the last day who either hasn't understood that, or has deliberately ignored it?
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:21:00 -
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Jackal Datapaw wrote:
Simi, one that didn't actually post anything related to the subject at all, only about what other people posted.
Congratulations on not reading, or being too stupid to understand, my first paragraph.
There is a reason people feel the need to go AFK cloaked up in a system. It is because local Intel is such a powerful tool that the only way to devalue it is to always be in local, in the hope that the occupant forgets about you or decides to risk it and ignore you.
You cannot address AFK cloaking without addressing the issues with local Intel.
Also, mxzf was trolling you. He understands every single nuance of AFK cloaking, and has probably read hundreds of threads like yours all with the same idea. Because unfortunately none of you idiots take the time to use the search function to see if something similar has been proposed before.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:31:00 -
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Katie Frost wrote:I think what you are misunderstanding Jackal is that what the three previous posters are trying to tell you. They aren't approaching your proposal because they do not believe that your premise that there is a problem in the first place exists. And I tend to agree with them.
AFK Cloaking in all common sense cannot be a problem. The person is 'Away From Keyboard' and therefore should pose as much threat as a person that is docked up in a station or sitting inside a POS.
What you are proposing, in effect, is a counter to standard/CovOps Cloaking. However, you did not explain in your OP why cloaking as a game mechanic is broken and would need to be addressed via the implementation of your proposal. Until you do so, you will not get any constructive feedback to your actual proposal.
Actually I do disagree with AFK cloaking, I would like to see the system scanning array CCP created enabled so that people can (slowly) scan down afk cloakers.
Then I'd like to see local removed and replaced with an Intel tool. Or for a short term fix just delay local by 30 seconds.
However this probably isn't the thread to discuss it in. OP is an idiot, his idea doesn't even acknowledge most of the current issues on this topic let alone address them and there are literally hundreds of identical ideas.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:44:00 -
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Jackal Datapaw wrote:Please don't call me an idiot, that is considered harassment. That is reportable.
You must be new here.
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:50:00 -
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Sekket wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:
There is a reason people feel the need to go AFK cloaked up in a system. It is because local Intel is such a powerful tool that the only way to devalue it is to always be in local, in the hope that the occupant forgets about you or decides to risk it and ignore you.
You cannot address AFK cloaking without addressing the issues with local Intel.
You cannot remove local without providing another form of passive detection, the game would be far too lopsided in the favor of agressive play for the carebears to get anything done. Abusing game mechanics and inadequate game mechanics are two separate issues. Right now AFK cloaking is abusing game mechanics because it allows a person to disrupt activities while not being active at the keyboard. AFK cloakers want people to just ignore the threat so they can get killmails. It makes a joke of sovereignty. AFK cloaking proponents like to tell people to put together an operation to defend against the apparent threat. However to instill paranoia with an AFK cloaking alt does not take an operational effort. The level of effort is minimal. There is no way to address the potential threat of a cloaked neutral or war target in your system at all. It is far too asymmetric. The best proposal is to add a fuel element to the cloak so that a cloaker cannot leave his ship in a system afk without supervision and a re-supply effort.
I actually agree with you, but I disagree concerning the solution. I'll post and explain why in a minute, just going to swap from my phone to a computer 
*EDIT: Heh, edited to agree with katie's proposal to let this thread die a quiet death 
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Simi Kusoni
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:15:00 -
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El Geo wrote:i cant stop thinking about ice cream now
Damn, now I want some Ben & Jerry's :(
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